日子清閒,這陣子也許會更新得有點頻繁,而且好多振奮人心的資訊XD

有事沒事就可以回來看一下小舖的動態噢~

快一個月以來第一次瀏覽次數超過100...你就知道最近本舖有多低潮(哭哭)

開始啦:

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賽耳篇 Sel

災罰之前的伊嵐翠人知道符文跟亞瑞倫地形是有關聯的。

The Elantrians before the Reod knew that Aons were connected to the geography of Arelon.

 

伊嵐翠人不是意識之影。

Elantrians are not cognitive shadows.

 

司卡德利亞篇 Scadrial

有關同性戀,道教徒(Pathian)讓人們自己決定,但倖存者教派會禁止。

Regarding homosexuality, Pathians let individuals decide for themselves while Survivorism forbids it.

 

同性戀在司卡德利亞社會的接受度並沒有瓦跟瑪拉席會告訴你的那麼高。

Homosexuality is not quite as accepted in Scadrian society as Wax and Marasi's viewpoints would lead you to believe.

 

倖存者教已經變得非常保守又不易改變。早期信徒的說詞在宗教裡面是被嚴格遵守的。

Survivorism has become very conservative and slow to change. What early thinkers had to say is regarded very strictly in the religion.

 

依藍戴的貴族會宣稱他們跟Era1的集團成員有關係,但不太敢提到凱西爾或沼澤。

Noble houses in Elendel play up their connections to the Era 1 crew members, but not so much Kelsier or Marsh.

 

血金術可以用來把魂魄或意識之影「釘」在肉體上。這跟坎得拉的能力不一樣,牠們的魂魄只是純粹被血金術「扭曲」了。

Hemalurgy can be used to 'staple' a soul or cognitive shadow to a body. This is not the case with kandra as their souls were merely 'twisted' by Hemalurgy.

 

少了一支尖刺的坎得拉會基於生物上的理由失去記憶。

Kandra with a missing spike lose their memories for biological reasons.

 

納西斯篇 Nalthis

納西斯上復歸神的出現跟哈蘭隼的貿易路線擴張沒有關聯。

The appearance of Returned on Nalthis was not associated with the spread of trade routes from Hallandren.

 

羅沙篇 Roshar

羅沙的同性戀:傳統/宗教上的依瑞雅利贊同同性戀;現在/民間依瑞雅利卻很排斥。亞西爾的同性戀者會被要求「社會角色重組」(和中世紀印度類似)。弗林文化對於同性戀愛沒什麼意見,惟要求正式/有承諾的關係(就跟異性戀愛一樣)。

Homosexuality in Roshar: Traditional/religious Iriali approve of homosexuality; modern/secular Iriali have outlawed it. Homosexuals in Azir are pressured into "social realignment" (similar to medieval India). Vorin culture is comfortable with homosexual relationships, but only in the context of an official/committed relationship (as with heterosexual relationships).

 

布蘭登在錢球的模樣上含糊其辭。

Brandon chimes in on what spheres look like.

 

賽司也受過其他波力的訓練。(除了逐風師之外的)

Szeth has been trained in other surges. (beyond those of the Windrunners)

 

一個紅眼睛的白化症患者在羅沙會被嚴重的排擠和誤解。

An albino with red eyes would be deeply mistrusted on Roshar.

 

泛寰宇篇 General Cosmere

除了載體之外,從大破碎之前一路到<王者之路>發生的期間內,寰宇中出現過的生命比你所想像得還多。

Other than Vessels, there are more beings alive from before the Shattering at the time the Way of Kings takes place than you would think.

 

憎惡裂解一些碎神是因為害怕載體,有些是因為害怕碎力本身。

Odium Splintered some Shards because he feared the Vessel, others because he feared the Shard itself.

 

一些寰宇內對意識之影的理論詳述。(還有一些辯駁)

Details on the in-universe theory of cognitive shadows. (and dissenting opinions)

 

 

 

專題:寰宇中的不朽性

Immortality in the Cosmere

問:我們知道<白沙>的時間蠻早的...靠那克里絲到底是他媽的多老?我們最後會知道為甚麼每個躍界者都能屌屌der永生不死嗎?

So White Sand is earlier... Damn then how the heck old is Kriss then? Will we ever get an answer as to why every worldhopper is flipin immortal?

 

山神:這牽涉到了一些時間延滯。我最後會有所解釋;而且快要到我可以開始討論這件事的地方了。但目前可以說這是老化過程的實際減速還有相對性的時間運行混合而成的,取決於不同個案。只有極少數是真正的不朽。

/u/mistbornThere is some time-dialation going on. I'll explain it eventually; we're almost to the point where I can start talking about that. Suffice it to say that there's a mix of both actual slowing of the aging process and relative time going on, depending on the individual. Very few are actually immortal.

 

問:可以提示哪些是真正的永生不朽嗎?:D

Implying that some are actually immortal? :D

 

山神:

/u/mistborn

取決於你指的是哪一種不朽。

Depends on which definition of immortal you mean.

不會老化,但能用一般方法被殺死。(你已經看過寰宇裡面的一些例子了,但我留給你們討論是誰。)

Doesn't age, but can be killed by conventional means. (You've seen some of these in the cosmere, but I'll leave you to discuss who.)

可以從傷害中痊癒,但還是會老化。(有颶光的燦軍騎士就像這樣。)

Heals from wounds, but still ages. (Knights Radiant with Stormlight are like this.)

被殺死後重生。(神將)

Reborn when killed. (The Heralds.)

不會老化也可以痊癒,但依賴魔法維持這樣的特性,所以會有很特別的弱點能削弱他。(統御主,就所有人而言。)

Doesn't age and can heal, but dependent upon magic to stay this way, and so have distinct weakness to be exploited. (The Lord Ruler, among others.)

群體性的生命,雖然常常失去身上的個別成員,但整體保留著一致的人格,只要群體的大部分沒有被抹除掉,人格就能被保存。(無眠者=代西-艾米亞人)

Hive beings who are constantly losing individual members, but maintaining a persistent personality spread across all of them, immortal in that as long as too much of the hive isn't wiped out, the personality can persist. (The sleepless.)

有智慧的魔法碎片,永恆存在,不過人格可以用特定方法被"摧毀"。(侍靈、羅沙靈、宵血、意識之影,就像司卡德利亞來的某個角色。)

Bits of sapient magic, eternal and endless, though the personality can be "destroyed" in specific ways. (Seons. Spren. Nightblood. Cognitive Shadows, like a certain character from Scadrial.)

碎神 (其實就是上一個分類的超強大版本)

Shards (Really just a supercharged version of the previous category.)

然後,當然,還有霍德。我不會說他是哪一個分類,如果他可以歸類的話,總之他也算。

And then, of course, there's Hoid. I'm not going to say which category, if any, he's in.

有些案例是可以被多重歸類的---例如神將,技術上也算是一種意識之影。我不會說上述的這些分類有哪些是獨特的,可以作為(不朽)最終的定義。這些小分類只是要讓我解釋一個重點:不朽性的確是寰宇作品的一個主題---在核心概念上,正是一連串的實驗要看看當人們受得神祇的力量時,會發生甚麼事。

Some of these blend together--the Heralds, for example, are technically a variety of cognitive shadow. I'm not saying each of these categories above are distinct, intended to be the end-all definitions. They're off the cuff groupings I made to explain a point: immortality is a theme of the cosmere works--which, at their core, are experiments on what happens when men are given the power of deity.

 

 

 

專題:寰宇中對同性戀的認知?

How is homosexuality regarded across the Cosmere?

問:我想這應該取決於不同的星球跟文化。羅沙有著非常多元的文化也應該會有不同的接受程度。司卡德利亞進步很多而且只有兩個文化,所以就算不是全部,這世界的大部分的居民應該都會接受。我想這是你可以在AMA或簽書會上問{[用戶]迷霧之子}的東西

註:/u/mistborn是山神本尊在reddit上面的名稱;AMA=Ask Me Anything,是山神一年一度在reddit上面會舉辦的討論會。

It would probably depend on the planet and culture involved. Roshar has many varied cultures and probably has multiple different acceptance levels. Scadrial is much more progressive and really only has two cultures so it's more likely that most if not all of the world accepts it. Maybe this is something you could ask /u/mistborn at a signing or during an AMA

 

山神:

/u/mistborn

是的,這在不同的星球上,甚至文化中有很大的差異。

Yes, this varies widely based on the planet, and even culture, /u/TimAnEnchanter.

舉例來說,在羅沙就有很多不同對同性戀的觀點。在依瑞,宗教團體(通常認為生命的價值在於體驗新事物)會贊同他們,但較為死板的現實,世俗社會已經排斥這樣的存在。

Roshar, for instance, has a lot of different perspectives on homosexuality. In Iri, the more religious segment (who believe that life is about new experiences) would approve, while the more rigid modern, secular society has outlawed it.

在亞西爾,你會找到某種跟中古印度很像的體制(有些社會有個很神奇的系統,同性戀的男人會被"社會角色重置",被視為女人對待,穿得像女人,再跟男人交往---即便他不是變性人士。)

In Azir, you'd find something like existed in middle-ages India. (Some societies there had this curious system where a gay man would be given "social reassignment" so that he was treated like a woman, dressed like one, and had relations with men--even if he wasn't t actually transsexual.)

弗林文化重視的是誓言。婚外性行為是被嚴格禁止的,但大部分的人視同性戀跟異性戀為等價。只要適當的誓言被說出,全能之主同意即可。(這通常就被視為婚姻,但還有其他特定的官方表格也可以有同樣的效力。)

Vorin culture is concerned with oaths. Extra-marital sexuality is strictly forbidden, but homosexuality is regarded the same by most as heterosexual relationships. If the proper oaths are spoken, then the Almighty approves. (This usually means marriage, but there are certain official forms of other relationships that would allow it also.)

其實在颶光系列的第三冊會有好幾幕討論這點,給那些有興趣的人,橋兵們的家庭跟羅曼史會變成故事中更大的一部分。(我應該說,當然還是很小的一部分啦,因為總要有篇幅限制。)

There are actually a couple of scenes in Book Three talking about it, for those who are interested, as the family and romantic relationships of the bridgemen are becoming a larger part of the story. (Still a small part, I should note, for space limitations.)

在司卡德利亞,這會在道教徒陣線(每個人都能為自己作主)跟倖存者信徒(Survivorist,遵守禁止同性戀的教會權威)之間有點拉扯。

On Scadrial, it's going to fall between Pathian lines (each individual decides for themselves) and Survivorist lines (you follow church hierarchy, which forbids it.)

不要叫我開始探討巴伐丁的宗教是怎麼看的。

Don't even get me started on Bavadin's religions.

 

問:請你開始探討巴伐丁的宗教是怎麼看的(XD死白目啊)

Please get started on Bavadin's religions

 

問:倖存者教派會用甚麼理由讓異性戀正統化?謝謝你提供這麼多幕後花絮,能聽到這些東西真的很有趣。如果他們能登上正文會很棒的,也許在某個間曲,或是在隨便一個背景討論裡提到都好。再次感謝你的書!還有我很好奇為甚麼世俗的依瑞雅利會在這點上面「退化」。

what reasons do Survivorists use to rationalise heterosexuality? Thank you so much for these titbits it's really interesting to hear more about this stuff from you. It would be great to see some of this canonicalised, maybe in an interlude, or random background discussion somewhere. Thank you again for your books! Also very interested in hearing why secular Iriali have decided to 'regress' on that.

 

山神:倖存者教派稱之為不自然的,而且對於物種的生存是沒有幫助的。除此之外,倖存者教派已經變得非常保守而且不願改變。早期的信徒所說的話在教派中被嚴格遵守。因為在新世紀的早些日子,重新增長盆地內的人口是主要的目標,而這有很大一部分衍生成了倖存者教會中的道德準則。

/u/mistbornSurvivorism calls it unnatural, and not conducive to the survival of the species. More than that, though, Survivorism has become very conservative and slow to change. What early thinkers had to say is regarded very strictly in the religion. Back during the early days of the new era, repopulating the basin was of prime concern, and this became a big part of what led to moral codes in survivorism.

 

引用:

在司卡德利亞,這會在道教徒陣線(每個人都能為自己作主)跟倖存者信徒(Survivorist,遵守禁止同性戀的教會權威)之間有點拉扯。

On Scadrial, it's going to fall between Pathian lines (each individual decides for themselves) and Survivorist lines (you follow church hierarchy, which forbids it.)

問:這很...奇怪,我注意到你特別說"教會權威",所以這代表凱西爾本人不反對同性婚姻,但倖存者教會視嗎?而為了"生存",生殖是必要的所以同性戀就是這個基本目標的一種頂撞?

This is... odd. I noted that you specifically said 'church hierarchy', so does this mean that Kelsier himself is not against same-sex marriage, but Survivorist churches are? And is it because to 'survive', procreation is necessary and they consider homosexuality an affront to this base goal?

岔個話,主角們對於同性戀的看法會有幾種?我認為沙賽德這樣的人不會在意,但如果能看看我們目前知道的角色跟他們所處的社會相比,有多少人是非主流的思想,我想會很有趣。

Going off on another tangent, how are the main characters like with regards to homosexuality? I imagine the likes of Sazed wouldn't care, but it'd be interesting to see how much of a deviant the characters we've come to know are, when compared to their world's societies.

 

山神:一樣的回答,你會看到很多元的態度跟觀點。有些人的看法跟他們的社會非常分歧,但有些人就充分代表了他們社會的觀點。

/u/mistborn:Again, you're going to see a wide variety of attitudes and impressions here. Some are very deviant from society, while others are good expressions of it.

我在書中常常淡化的一點就是角色們其實通常充滿嚴重的偏見。舉例來說,基本上所有颶光系列中的主角都是糟糕的種族歧視者。我在這裡提到是為了確保,正文中是有這樣的事實的---但同時,如果我放入更多的現實主義,那會讓人很不舒服。所以我試著踩著一條邊界上,忽明忽滅的表現這點,但喜歡這些角色仍然是有可能的,只要認為他們來自於跟我們非常不同的社會就好。

One thing I do downplay in the books is how often characters are terribly biased. Basically all the protagonists in the Stormlight books are, for example, HORRIBLE racists. I bring it up now and then to make sure the text, at least, knows this fact--but it's also something that, if I did with a dose more realism, would be very offputting. So I try to walk a line where it's an ugly thing that rears its head now and then, but it is still possible to like the characters, acknowledging they are products of a very different society from our own.

對於同性戀的觀點也是一樣。舉例來說,如你所見,橋四隊中席格吉就對得雷(Drehy)有意見。同樣的,有些角色有著比起他們所處的社會更先進的觀點,我想這對他們身為的角色來說更真實一點。所以你在書中可能不會那麼常看到這樣的角色。舉例來說,拉奈特的感情狀態在司卡德利亞社會中的接受度,並沒有瓦跟瑪拉席會告訴你的觀點所說的那麼高。

Views on homosexuality are the same. You'll see, for instance, that Sigzil has a problem with Drehy in Bridge Four. Similarly, some characters have more progressive views than their society, as I think would be realistic for the types of people they are. So you don't see as much from the text as there might otherwise be. Ranette's relationship is not quite as accepted in Scadrian society as Wax and Marasi's viewpoints would lead you to believe, for example.

 

 

 

專題:寰宇內部對於意識之影的看法

In-universe Comments of Cognitive Shadows

問:(山姆:前面超多感謝山神的廢話我就不打上來了)

如果你還在回覆問題的話,我很快問個問題:你說復歸神也算是被「釘」回去肉體上的意識之影,而神將也大概差不多是類似的東西。如果我假設伊嵐翠人也能被視為是意識之影的話,我是對的嗎?還是我整個搞錯方向?

Quick question if you're still answering: You've said that Returned count as Cognitive shadows "stapled" back into their bodies, and that the Heralds are at least similar. Would I be right in assuming that Elantrians could be considered as Cognitive Shadows as well, or am I barking up the wrong tree?

 

山神:

/u/mistborn

伊嵐翠人是不一樣的東西。他們不是真的「死掉」後才產生的啦。

Elantrians are something different. They don't actually "die" to be created.

要知道意識之影這個詞是個寰宇內部的說法,身為創作者我不打算評論這個設定。理論如下:

Recognize that the term cognitive shadow is an in-cosmere theory, which I'm not going to comment on as the creator of the setting. The theory is this:

授能會尋求智慧思想。它會渴求某人來控制它,或者,在某些情況下,自發性的產生人格。

Investiture seeks sapience. It looks for someone to control it or, in some instances, spontaneously adopts personality.

心靈(一個人的意識層面)是可以被授能灌注的。這有點像是礦物質開始對木頭進行石化作用,逐漸用授能取代心靈和人格(的形狀)

A mind (cognitive aspect of a person) can become infused with Investiture. This acts a little like minerals with petrified wood, replacing the mind and personality with investiture.

所以當一個人死掉的時候,授能會拓印原本的框架。變成一個魂魄的複印版,但不是真正的魂魄。

When the actual person dies, this investiture imprint remains behind. A copy of the soul, but not the actual soul.

有些人不認同這樣的看法,覺得魂魄本身是延續的。當然也有些人完全駁斥這整個理論的看法。

Others disagree with this, and think the soul itself persists. Still others reject the theory in its entirety.

 

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「翻譯的本質就是一種破壞。」

噢嗯,所以我想在這裡說明一件小事~

如你所見,接下來的教條統整中,我都會保留原文內容,因為這些原文內容本身就是連結,所以如果想多了解這個條目背後的討論,只要點這些連結就可以看到囉

不過也因此,有些比較細心的讀者可能就會發現,為甚麼我的翻譯跟原文字句好像是有落差的...

所以,想在這樣的疑慮產生之前,先傳達一個概念就是:翻譯的本質就是一種破壞;當我們使用了按照原文字句的譯法,翻譯出來的卻不見得是原作者的意思。兩種不同的語言本來就會因為句構、文法跟一字多義的不同,而導致不能100%的互相轉換。

一直以來我所做的,是盡量傳達原文的概念,而不是逐字逐句的詮釋。這點在越口語的翻譯素材(例如之前的幾篇訪談)中會尤其明顯。

當然,我本身的英文水準可能也不是很夠@@,所以保留原文在這裡,如果你有心幫我修正句意上的錯誤,對於小舖跟山姆的翻譯水準,還有大家了解原文意思的權益,都是一種幫助噢!


二月的山神教條就很資源充沛了XD 所以相對的就不會有太多專題對話;繼續期待這個系列的更新吧~(我在看這些資訊的時候整個人也都很亢奮XD)

我們的寰宇群組已經創立一周年啦!快點用LINE來跟山姆聯絡:line.me/ti/p/R9u82h77-P,認識更多的同好吧:D

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